Does a Serial Liar Become Truthful Under Oath?

“Would you be willing to speak under oath to give your version of the events?”

ABC News’ Jonathan Karl asked Donald Trump on June 9, 2017. A day earlier, former FBI Director James Comey’s appearance before the Senate Intelligence Committee had put Trump in the crosshairs of a potential obstruction of justice investigation.

“100 percent,” Trump said.

But does a serial liar become truthful when placed under oath? Perhaps Trump’s previously sworn answers to questions about Felix Sater offer a clue. As special counsel Robert Mueller “follows the money” from Russia to Trump and his associates, Sater could be someone to watch.

Who is Felix Sater?

Born in 1966, Sater was about 8 years old when he emigrated with his parents from the Soviet Union to the heavily Russian enclave of Brooklyn’s Brighton Beach. After attending Pace University briefly, he dropped out and became a Wall Street stockbroker. In a 1991 barroom fight, he stabbed a man in the face with the broken stem of a wine glass and was sentenced to prison. In 1993, he became part of a stock scheme that allegedly relied on Mafia crime families for protection. In 1998, Sater pled guilty to federal charges and, pursuant to a cooperation agreement, avoided another stint in prison by helping authorities go after mob figures.

For the next several years, he worked with the FBI and the US attorney’s office in New York. Sater also reportedly cooperated with the CIA in tracking down stinger missiles sold on the black market in Central Asia, thereby keeping them out of terrorists’ hands. As an informant, he was productive. During Loretta Lynch’s 2015 confirmation hearing to become attorney general, she said Sater had provided valuable and sensitive information “crucial to national security and the conviction of over 20 individuals, including those responsible for committing massive financial fraud and members of La Cosa Nostra.”

In 2002, Sater was still cooperating with the government when he and his company, Bayrock Group — a Trump Tower tenant — began working with Trump on a series of real estate deals. According to Sater’s subsequent deposition, in 2005 Trump also gave Bayrock an exclusive arrangement to develop a Trump Tower project in Russia.

“I’d come back, pop my head into Mr. Trump’s office, and tell him, you know, ‘Moving forward on the Moscow deal,’” Sater said. “And he would say ‘All right…’ I showed him photos, I showed him the site, showed him the view from the site. It’s pretty spectacular.”

According to Sater, the two men became more than business associates. When Ivanka and Donald Trump Jr. visited Moscow in February 2006, Donald Trump Sr. asked Sater to keep an eye on them. “He asked if I wouldn’t mind joining them and looking after them while they were in Moscow.” Sater said. He summarized the attitude of Trump’s children as “nice, big city, great. Let’s do a deal here.”

On Sept. 19, 2007, as Trump spoke at the launch party for Trump SoHo — a Trump/Bayrock project that special counsel Robert Mueller is reportedly investigating and in which Trump received an 18 percent interest — Sater stood with him.
Trump Swears to Tell the Truth

Two days after a Dec. 17, 2007 article in The New York Times illuminated darker aspects of Sater’s past, Trump testified under oath about their relationship.

Q: “[W]hat kind of interaction did you have with Mr. Sater prior to the article appearing?”

TRUMP: “Not that much, not very much…. I would say that my interaction with Felix Sater was, you know, not —was very little.” [p. 411]

That was just the beginning.

By 2010 Sater was no longer at Bayrock. He was a “senior adviser to Donald Trump.” At least, that’s what it said on the Trump Organization business card he carried. He also had a Trump Organization email address and office. The phone number on his card had belonged previously to a lawyer in the office of Trump’s general counsel. As recently as December 2015, Sater’s LinkedIn profile boasted his prior experience as “senior adviser to Donald Trump, The Trump Organization, January 2010 – 2011 (1 year).”

Less than three years after leaving the Trump Organization, a BBC reporter asked Trump about Sater’s alleged prior connections to organized crime. Trump stood up and ended the interview. Four months later, Trump testified under oath about that episode and Sater.

Q: “Do you recall being interviewed?”

TRUMP:  “No, I don’t.”

Q: “Do you recall when you met Mr. Sater for the first time?”

TRUMP: “No. Many years ago. I don’t know him well at all, but it was many years ago.” [p. 148]

But apparently, Trump knew Sater well enough to vouch for him:

“I don’t think he was connected to the Mafia. He got into a barroom fight. In fact, he was supposedly very close to the government of the United States as a witness or something, but I don’t think he was connected to the Mafia… I don’t think he was connected to the Mafia and I don’t know him very well, but I don’t think he was connected to the Mafia… I don’t see Felix as being a member of the Mafia.” [pp. 149-150]

Then the lawyer asked Trump about the 2007 New York Times article describing Sater’s unsavory past:

Q: “Do you recall reading it at the time it came out?”

TRUMP: “I just vaguely remember the article, but we weren’t dealing much with him [Sater]. We were dealing with Bayrock. We weren’t dealing much with him, so — I think this was maybe the article where it talked about the barroom fight, actually, but I vaguely remember it.” [p. 156]

Finally came more focused questions about the man who said he’d escorted Trump’s children around Moscow and popped into Trump’s office to discuss plans for Trump real estate deals around the world.

Q: “About how many times have you conversed with Mr. Sater?”

TRUMP: “Over the years?”

Q: “Over the years, if you can estimate?”

TRUMP: “Not many. If he were sitting in the room right now, I really wouldn’t know what he looked like.” (pp. 156-157)



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